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The Flaw – A discussion of the Patriot Act

Posted by Mark on December 17, 2005

I don’t mind what happened yesterday, and here’s why.

The Patriot Act as it stands is flawed…

I warned everyone here that I am the more moderate of this two-man team here. But that doesn’t tell the whole story. The Patriot Act as a whole is a good (not great) piece of legislation that we desperately needed in the internal security / defense community. It enables us to share information that we previously were not allowed to share. It unbinds our hands more often when working in joint environments. Those are great things. But what it also does is give us powers we absolutely don’t need.

Before I proceed here, I want to make clear that I make very clear and great distinctions between Citizens of the United States, and all others, here legally or illegally, home or abroad. Citizens, in my book, are a special class of people, who have either been lucky enough, or hard working enough to have attained citizenship through either birth, or by hard work and naturalization. I believe also that the U.S. Constitution applies exclusively to it’s citizen’s. ALL other rights granted to other peoples within our borders are granted solely at the whim of our citizenry. That being said…

I am disturbed that the Patriot Act allows for no warrant searches to be conducted on citizens of the United States. We have three branches of government for a reason; each meant to crosscheck the other. No warrant searches take away one of our critical crosschecks. That is all, I don’t have a problem with more discussion and some compromise on this bill simply because it is, in fact, flawed. Think of how this bill, if made permanent, could and would be used by the hands of a less scrupulous liberal or socialist administration should one come to power…

Sen. John Sununu mimicked Benjamin Franklin with his quote.
“We need to be more vigilant,” said Sen. John Sununu, a Republican from New Hampshire, where the state motto is “Live Free or Die.” “Those that would give up essential liberty in pursuit of a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.”

That all being said, I do wish for all of the powers of the Patriot Act to apply wholeheartedly to non-citizen’s within and outside this great land we call home. May noone be allowed to threaten our security again.

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How to Lose a War: A Primer for Defeatocrats

Posted by Mark on December 17, 2005

Rather than a full reply to Matt’s post about the failure to renew the Patriot Act, I thought Sandman’s post on How to Lose a War would be more appropriate. While the Patriot Act wasn’t perfect (no bill is) the Senate’s failure to renew it puts us back at September 10th, 2001 in our efforts to combat terrorism in this nation.

Appropriately entitled SHEEPDUNG, this peice clearly elaborates where the Left stands as 2005 comes to a close.

And, if you would like to let the 4 Republicrats who stood with the Defeatocrats in the Senate last night know how you feel, you can find contact information here.

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The Flaw – A discussion of the Patriot Act

Posted by zaphriel on December 17, 2005

I don’t mind what happened yesterday, and here’s why.

The Patriot Act as it stands is flawed�

I warned everyone here that I am the more moderate of this two-man team here. But that doesn’t tell the whole story. The Patriot Act as a whole is a good (not great) piece of legislation that we desperately needed in the internal security / defense community. It enables us to share information that we previously were not allowed to share. It unbinds our hands more often when working in joint environments. Those are great things. But what it also does is give us powers we absolutely don’t need.

Before I proceed here, I want to make clear that I make very clear and great distinctions between Citizens of the United States, and all others, here legally or illegally, home or abroad. Citizens, in my book, are a special class of people, who have either been lucky enough, or hard working enough to have attained citizenship through either birth, or by hard work and naturalization. I believe also that the U.S. Constitution applies exclusively to it’s citizen’s. ALL other rights granted to other peoples within our borders are granted solely at the whim of our citizenry. That being said�

I am disturbed that the Patriot Act allows for no warrant searches to be conducted on citizens of the United States. We have three branches of government for a reason; each meant to crosscheck the other. No warrant searches take away one of our critical crosschecks. That is all, I don’t have a problem with more discussion and some compromise on this bill simply because it is, in fact, flawed. Think of how this bill, if made permanent, could and would be used by the hands of a less scrupulous liberal or socialist administration should one come to power�

Sen. John Sununu mimicked Benjamin Franklin with his quote.
“We need to be more vigilant,” said Sen. John Sununu, a Republican from New Hampshire, where the state motto is “Live Free or Die.” “Those that would give up essential liberty in pursuit of a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.”

That all being said, I do wish for all of the powers of the Patriot Act to apply wholeheartedly to non-citizen’s within and outside this great land we call home. May noone be allowed to threaten our security again.

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How to Lose a War: A Primer for Defeatocrats

Posted by Mark on December 17, 2005

Rather than a full reply to Matt’s post about the failure to renew the Patriot Act, I thought Sandman’s post on How to Lose a War would be more appropriate. While the Patriot Act wasn’t perfect (no bill is) the Senate’s failure to renew it puts us back at September 10th, 2001 in our efforts to combat terrorism in this nation.

Appropriately entitled SHEEPDUNG, this peice clearly elaborates where the Left stands as 2005 comes to a close.

And, if you would like to let the 4 Republicrats who stood with the Defeatocrats in the Senate last night know how you feel, you can find contact information here.

Posted in Uncategorized | Leave a Comment »